Etiquette

[00:00:00] And welcome back to another episode of Rhythm in Rome. I'm one of your hosts, Paul and

[00:00:21] I'm with my partner in crime, Trecia and Benef today. Are you guys? So as you guys know, we are here because

[00:00:31] we love to travel, our podcast is about travel and we discuss a lot about culture and cultural

[00:00:39] differences and everything else in between. And today I'm pretty excited because one of our topics

[00:00:46] today is about etiquette and faux pas, which is kind of a pretty interesting topic because between us three I know we have

[00:00:56] a lot that we can talk about between us all from yeah because I got a lot to say for one about the French.

[00:01:03] It's also one of the first things that people notice when traveling so it's like a thing that's easily

[00:01:10] noticeable like one of these is not like the other you go to a restaurant and you're not prepared or yes traveling on

[00:01:18] the train and you don't really know if there if you're supposed to act a certain way so it's one of the

[00:01:23] the first things that you notice when traveling absolutely and let me just participate by saying I

[00:01:28] already started with the etiquette thing because it's already late here in Paris. So let's do a sante cheers

[00:01:34] Sante.

[00:01:38] And now we can actually begin our bickering I won't say bickering but our etiquette is discussion.

[00:01:47] Our discussion a very civilized discussion.

[00:01:50] Civilized discussion because the wine or civilized.

[00:01:54] So yeah so why don't we just I'll just kick it off by what I already am it's fresh in my head and one of

[00:02:02] the things is and you'll see in several different you know clips that we will always present that's one

[00:02:08] of the things that's great we like to bring in real facts of what's going on and wherever we are

[00:02:15] and then help to discuss and of course if we have comments from anyone who has been a part

[00:02:22] of viewing us and so on.

[00:02:24] So one of the things that I know just being here in France is etiquette is extremely important here

[00:02:36] in France and I can't stress this and I get really angry and I'm not joking when I say angry

[00:02:44] of how a lot of times I get corrected by some of my French colleagues some of my French friends

[00:02:54] that I've you know been able to now have since I've been here for like two years now and one of

[00:03:01] my biggest pet peeve as an American living abroad and I'm bringing my American New York attitude

[00:03:08] with me sprinkling a little bit of Jamaican in there is that you if you tell me how I'm supposed to

[00:03:16] eat a got ding burger for that damn baguette or was all because the other day I was I was having

[00:03:31] coffee and pastry with a friend of mine whose French and she happened to have a Quasau and she

[00:03:41] happened to use a knife in for to cut her Quasau and I took the Quasau like a typical American

[00:03:47] did you I dip the hell out of it in my coffee yeah you probably probably was shocked like it horrified

[00:03:55] just like flex your pearls moment yeah but I'm trying to figure out why because the American in

[00:04:01] me is is I want to say um I paid for this I should be able to eat it or do whatever the hell I

[00:04:07] want with it and she was really embarrassed because she's like oh don't do this everybody's looking at

[00:04:12] us so I feel like it's more of they worried about what people think about them

[00:04:19] mm-hmm whereas I'm giving it down yeah I mean we've we're just brought up to eat differently like

[00:04:29] I mean in that video oh we barbaric are that we have with the the French etiquette eating is

[00:04:37] is like an event and for Americans it's pretty weird to have an eating event daily like who the

[00:04:46] fuck is gonna spend two hours eating dinner every day I mean they said we drink a lot that's

[00:04:52] for sure we drink as an event two hours because we're overworked over activity over fatigue nobody

[00:05:00] has time to eat yeah for two hours every evening we I mean but I mean I guess like what are we doing

[00:05:07] I don't know collapsing into bed or watching TV right like we're not spending it eating first

[00:05:12] I mean what would we even do like what are they we're certainly not it's certainly not over it's

[00:05:16] certainly not over a you know over a meal with friends and we're certainly not having those

[00:05:22] conversations and if we are it's a special occasion right yeah so that's what I mean

[00:05:28] and that's the thing here everyone like it's it's it's not a shock if people go out to eat

[00:05:38] at a certain time um just for the conversation and they will sit at a table drinking a coffee

[00:05:45] for two hours and I give up their seat yeah that's and that's a cultural thing though because

[00:05:51] yeah what Americans think they have two hours to go and just hang out and have coffee

[00:05:56] I mean we're always trying to get from the next thing one thing to the next and it's because

[00:06:01] we've signed our children up for everything on the side and we got to ferry them around

[00:06:07] I don't know that the French do that I don't know um well the French so so one of the things when

[00:06:14] I said they're and I have to have to off to them they are they really take their stuff really

[00:06:20] seriously and I do respect it I know I'm making fun of it but I also hate it because it is

[00:06:25] they actually they're civilized when they're doing it and and I'm sure I get brownie points for

[00:06:32] saying that because every time I go they're very well mannered in a sense of like they're drinking

[00:06:39] their wine it is like you don't I'll give an example I learn not to hold my wine like so

[00:06:48] and they're like it's why they have a stem you don't touch da da da da that's very true yeah so and

[00:06:56] there's a little the little thing let's let's do a test so initially when we all started I think

[00:07:04] I noticed that some of us you know we're doing this me in particular which is a which is a major

[00:07:10] faux pas right so let's let's look at that let's do a test so here I'm drinking my wine like this

[00:07:18] versus if I'm drinking it like this well that's not the reason so I've learned the reason for this

[00:07:25] but does that look better which one looks better this one looks more sophisticated okay

[00:07:32] well I don't I don't want my hand to warm up the white wine that's the reason why you don't do

[00:07:38] that is the reason that's the reason and it's just you want it to have the temperature of the

[00:07:43] and I'm sure somebody who is French or someone that knows more about wine than I do

[00:07:48] anyway yeah why it's a big deal I mean it's a huge deal yeah so that you can't

[00:07:54] to respect it yeah so I listen when they say stuff like this but I'm curious to also hear

[00:08:01] you know like obviously Tricia you wherever everyone has been I could tell you it's totally

[00:08:07] different when I go to Germany for example you know or and I was living in Germany and

[00:08:13] and etiquette is not I think they're more etiquette when it comes to drinking beer you better

[00:08:20] not have that show which is foam it better have a big old foam on the glass whereas in America for

[00:08:26] beer if you put too much of the foam it seems like as the end of the beer whereas in Germany that

[00:08:33] is the beer you need to have some foam not like all you need to have a lot of foam it's like with cream

[00:08:39] you need to have whipped cream if you're having a latte or having a child's leg but in America

[00:08:44] you do that in America that's yeah they want you to pour that stuff out yeah we don't want

[00:08:49] yeah a quarter of head yeah yeah yeah yeah and well I don't think it's the same in Germany with the

[00:08:58] etiquettes probably not I mean and that's what makes it so like fun and interesting because you know

[00:09:03] the afghans they do eat with their hands like that's totally normal particularly the right hand

[00:09:09] because the left hand is used for bathroom things but you know like they're gonna eat with their

[00:09:14] hands now the thing with the afghans is the time so like they say 7 p.m but if you show up at 7 p.m

[00:09:24] you're the only person there and they ain't even like dressed like nothing it's not like no one's

[00:09:29] there like chairs be on a table like yeah and you're and so being like a part American part

[00:09:37] Afghan and my mom having lived in this country for so long like real be Americans and show up

[00:09:42] like relatively on time no one's there it will have to sit for like an hour to half to hour before

[00:09:50] we could get anything to eat that now we're hungry you know it's just it's starting yeah I think

[00:09:59] yeah you just brought up another good situation because as us of color you know we all have black

[00:10:07] in us we add a different rule when it comes to showing up somewhere too as well whereas for example

[00:10:14] in France it is customary to be 5-10 minutes late there's nothing wrong with that oh really

[00:10:22] yeah they don't expect you to be exactly on time right in Germany oh no the German best

[00:10:31] better be on time better be on time I can't tell you how many times I got cursed out because

[00:10:38] they thought the plan was was behind schedule because I was two minutes late two minutes two minutes

[00:10:44] not joking that is crazy joking maybe I should interview her man friend you should

[00:10:53] that would be really interesting to hear their perspective he was flipping piss he's like oh but we

[00:10:58] have to drive and now the the the style and the traffic is going to be and I'm like I mean maybe he

[00:11:05] was a very bad case of it but Germans are very punctual and they are very like be on time yeah

[00:11:14] you know Germans are very punctual and they're very very on time and if yeah if you're late

[00:11:20] they take that seriously as an offense or whatever so you know you try not to do that yeah the Japanese

[00:11:27] are very on time too and what I loved about Japanese functions is that it was like two hours

[00:11:34] so they would schedule from like six to eight and all you can eat and drink thing and then

[00:11:41] is a kaya and you would show up and it was two hours and then they would leave like sometimes

[00:11:46] they would contact our house for events like on posts or on base and they would stand up and leave

[00:11:51] it exactly at the two hour mark and I was like all of them all at once all of them all at once yes

[00:11:57] all at once bury the on out that's kind of rude ain't it well nope that's what they do I mean and so

[00:12:03] whereas the Americans to those mother scratches might be there till like for another five hours

[00:12:10] oh yeah because you're gonna have to be like oh look at the time I gotta go to work early in the

[00:12:15] morning so it was nice to know that I only got to be on for two hours like I can handle that

[00:12:22] a two hour event I guess so but it depends on the company I mean when you think about it I mean

[00:12:27] it really does depend on what that looks like um I mean there are some friends that I have that come

[00:12:34] over that you know you do it and really I should say family probably more than anything else but

[00:12:39] there's some family that does come over or fit our friends that you're like you're counting the

[00:12:44] minutes you know that they're gonna be there but where others where I'm having so much fun or it's

[00:12:49] so natural and you always have a great time that you know when the time comes and they're like oh

[00:12:55] you're leaving already you know that that's kind of thing so no I think it depends on what you're

[00:13:00] saying is it specifically these folks you're saying it Asia this is what happens like that you

[00:13:06] know it's especially for work events yeah but also like they because the Japanese homes especially

[00:13:14] in the city just aren't designed for entertainment whereas American homes generally are they're

[00:13:19] doing it in a common space like at a restaurant or in a community building and so they've

[00:13:24] got a schedule time because they don't really invite you into their homes it's pretty rare

[00:13:31] I can tell you just from I can the quick ones that I know very well Germany and France as well as

[00:13:38] Luxembourg is that whenever you are invited to someone's home you always you never show up empty-handed

[00:13:46] you you definitely in Germany yeah yeah you're saying Germany is not they just show no no no

[00:13:55] I'm saying in a universal because I've showed up at empty-handed in some places in America so

[00:14:00] and that's right just your part that's not me because I've seen all the people they show up to my

[00:14:07] place when I ask whatever and they don't come with nothing just their hands and say I'm here

[00:14:13] but it could be just you need to have a conversation it could be just me but in Germany for one for

[00:14:18] example if I and it was like all kinds of rules around it if I get it right it's if I show up

[00:14:24] and it's um wife and husband for example it's okay to bring the female or the wife like a plant

[00:14:37] and a plant yeah I mean not like flowers but like a plant yeah I'm just gonna say this right now

[00:14:45] that you brought that up let me just let me just make a point of that right now if I think you only

[00:14:50] bring a plant if you know that person is a plant person right because I'd be like no right can

[00:14:56] you bring your plant okay well that's okay then that's definitely a cultural thing yeah tell you

[00:15:01] right now if you bring me a plant it just better be like florals do not have to take care of it

[00:15:07] that means you have to commit it thank you and then it's not over like it's one later and the

[00:15:13] plant is like gone you're like you one thing I can tell you Germans do love their plants they love

[00:15:19] their flowers as well as they love their dogs but they love their plants and you would not it

[00:15:25] would not be bad if you if you did that but of course you the customary thing both in France

[00:15:31] and Germany is a ball of wine champagne is definitely I know it's big here in France you can bring

[00:15:39] ball of champagne or wine or pastry so pastry is another thing that you can yeah you could just

[00:15:46] bring any kind of those stuff because I've even had people that I didn't even say I was having

[00:15:51] anything but they came over and they came over with pastry and I was like I didn't ask you for

[00:15:57] anything but thanks but yeah like that's something that's nice I mean it is if you're going especially

[00:16:03] for dinner it's nice to show up with with something um yeah and that's me in general my mother has

[00:16:10] always taught me you know if you go over to anyone's house and you know with my Caribbean culture

[00:16:15] you know you'd never go over to anyone's house empty handed forever ever ever and then with me being

[00:16:20] in sales you just it's something that you don't necessarily do as I can afford it when I was younger

[00:16:26] if I was invited to something by themselves and I tell you I've been a ball of boons is only like at

[00:16:32] back then was like two dollars two dollars fifty cents you know that was more than my ramen noodle

[00:16:37] that I could have eaten in in college I mean I feel like it is different if you're like a college

[00:16:44] student going over you know maybe you help out with dishes maybe you help out that's exactly

[00:16:49] exactly what I used to do I used to help come up I used to help to say hey let me get it help

[00:16:55] you start putting go there you go there's that's where that Caribbean blood comes in and you're right

[00:17:01] they always say never show empty handed at somebody's house because it shows you know you're either

[00:17:06] desperate or you're hungry or whatever it may be kind of thing and then another thing is here's

[00:17:11] another thing that maybe this is the black culture for us is it is okay to show up with

[00:17:19] Tupperware and people that you know house I guess you're gonna bring stuff back exactly and I

[00:17:27] know it's very customary at least in my house so but thanks given time you bring those Tupperware

[00:17:33] because you're gonna use them and I'm sure I'm not the only person and others could probably

[00:17:39] vouch for that that you know you can I don't think it's only a black thing but speaking on the

[00:17:44] on the black note kind of thing I'm sure we all have heard of

[00:17:50] B.P.T. that people time yeah cuz he ain't no more the one that you want so you could imagine

[00:17:56] my father being black my mom being Afghan like you remember on time

[00:18:02] I will say my mom is not the tip of the black

[00:18:04] and it's customary forcing not never she's been there all time but um but afghan that's why it

[00:18:10] worked because we're not customary to be on time either as black people as corbid Caribbean

[00:18:15] people are to me or even worse I mean you don't mean I mean can't be on time nowhere if you

[00:18:20] want them to be anywhere you've got to tell them an hour ahead yeah this is like we got to make

[00:18:25] an entrance so we got to make an entrance totally with afghans the same yeah we have to make

[00:18:31] an entrance man it's crazy and I never know what time the event is actually starting so I'm like

[00:18:39] and like my husband cuz he you know military he shows up like in family early right so how do

[00:18:44] you feel then like and I know it's custom so would they get so they don't serve afghan because I know

[00:18:51] when I live in Jordan and we both went to Iraq or Afghanistan too as well um I remember when

[00:18:59] I was invited number one living in Jordan uh it is if someone invites you for example over for

[00:19:07] dinner you can't say no like it's rude to say no they perfect I mean they were it's like you

[00:19:14] kind of got to go yeah you kind of got to go so then you're like you know yes and then yeah

[00:19:20] the first time I went and I saw a big old tray or whatever platter that they have with all the

[00:19:27] food on one thing and everybody surrounding it you're probably familiar with this uh beneficus

[00:19:33] yeah yeah it shocked me because one guy came over and just used his hand and broke the chicken and

[00:19:40] yeah yeah yeah yeah they just used their nose like well and I have no idea where your hands are

[00:19:46] here's the cultural thing because my dad like when we would go back in the day go and eat afghan

[00:19:53] people's homes he was taught to you know uh finish his plate hmm to show that you're done and as a

[00:20:01] sign of respect you enjoyed the food well with afghans if you finish your plate it means you're still

[00:20:06] hungry so they kept like serving him and he kept finishing my gosh and they kept serving them

[00:20:10] and they kept feeling they're like hey i'm just man hungry and he's like just like ready to explode

[00:20:17] because there was that difference whereas in yes culture you leave a little bit on there to show

[00:20:22] that you're done right remember he still talks about that it was just so funny because wow that's

[00:20:29] amazing ready to explode yeah that's that's that's crazy and I think that's the other thing here in

[00:20:34] France like when you're eating i've already learned never put your elbows on the table and if yeah

[00:20:42] and if you're done eating if you're done eating there's also which i did not know was customary

[00:20:49] in the video i think also mentioned this too as well respect the bread in France bread isn't just a side

[00:20:56] dish it's an integral part of the meal remember never place your bread on your plate it has its own

[00:21:01] spot on the tablecloth to your left and don't bite into it break off a piece instead you never

[00:21:07] put your bread on the same plate as you your main dish the bread yeah it's got to be the bread must

[00:21:13] be on the right hand side of your table i'm like that is real wild okay so here here's where i think

[00:21:20] really and that's going to separate us big time because um yes you're given an appetizer plate

[00:21:27] because typically here write me us what do we do we have um we have our our different service but

[00:21:32] if they're offering bread if it's free or whatever it is you own appetizer plate right it's when

[00:21:38] you're supposed to eat it or or eat i guess over a pre meal or pregame i like to call it

[00:21:45] but now when they're when the main course comes in you know immediately if especially if you're

[00:21:50] eating out they want to take that plate away so you know it's interesting that in France they would

[00:21:58] actually still keep that on the table like i have sometimes i have to fight people really no no

[00:22:03] i want to play there because i put my silver on it because i don't like putting my silver on the

[00:22:08] table but you gotta be careful if you put no the silverware you put it slanted to the slide 45

[00:22:14] degree angle correct correct if you're finished eating here if you're finished if you're not okay

[00:22:19] and if you're not when you're finished and it's yes that i know um i took etiquette classes by

[00:22:24] the way my grandmother um when i was growing up in New York my grandmother wanted me to have etiquette

[00:22:31] so i went to etiquette school and i actually learned how to oh absolutely and how it is it

[00:22:38] is not customary for a woman and this bothers me to this day is that women put their first on the

[00:22:42] table you're not supposed to do that no even in Jamaica you ain't supposed to do that but i see it

[00:22:49] all the time i can't stand it um no not on the floor and not on the floor not on behind the chair

[00:22:55] so you're in your lap oh in your lap well and just i can't they have little baskets for you to put your

[00:23:02] because they don't want you to put the floor is dirty right yeah but like i never thought

[00:23:08] okay usually i put it in my chair well yeah but but also women are not supposed to care really big

[00:23:14] purses and if you're going out to eat it's supposed to be a small bag right and you're

[00:23:20] that's why you're supposed to be with a man that's got all the money and everything we just have

[00:23:26] to carry a lip stick and a mirror you got it you better make sure you know so there's a lot

[00:23:32] so there's a lot of things that you know us women are not getting

[00:23:36] no that's not keeping us within within our within our etiquette standards i think it's interesting

[00:23:45] that it's difference in in ways you know from like i said i could see the difference on

[00:23:56] an america versus everywhere else in america we just we i know we have etiquette but it's very

[00:24:03] laxed meaning very much so no one is going to say anything to me if i'm eating my burger with my hands

[00:24:10] i like every time i order a burger here and i'm with someone that's french they're

[00:24:16] going to say something they are eating it with their they're

[00:24:20] they're eating it with their silverware and they're eating with even with the french fries they're

[00:24:24] eating with with with knife and fork and i'm just like okay you get too much that's that's

[00:24:30] finger food the whole point is get into it with your fingers well so i i did ask my french tutor about

[00:24:37] that and he was like well it depends on the restaurant so if it's a place that's you know

[00:24:42] that he would eat with his hands and find but if it's a fancy place then you know he would use knife

[00:24:46] and fork remember i just told you i just went and got what's on with the friend of mine and

[00:24:50] and you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna start recording that stuff because he and it could be

[00:24:56] just individual people yeah but when it's most of the time now people are telling me this and when

[00:25:02] i told you about my other friend using a knife and fork with the macaroon yeah that i mean they're

[00:25:10] like really really that big like yeah and i'm just like you're being a little bit too busy right

[00:25:15] probably would have to pick that up with my fingers and i'm gonna get it but you know the nails

[00:25:23] that's it yeah i don't like that is for me or disgusting like in fact i got to start wearing gloves

[00:25:29] to cook now because i like raw chicken and with like oh yes really all gone you know i wear gloves

[00:25:36] to season me do any of that because i just don't like it under my nails but more importantly that's

[00:25:41] that's one of the biggest reasons why i use a knife and fork is because i don't want to get my hands

[00:25:45] dirty so i don't want to i don't want to do that at all i can order finger food no i can order

[00:25:50] finger foes phone i can have whatever i want but i don't tell people to order because i'm saying

[00:25:57] that i've been fork no but if you're gonna do finger food why bother stop and you can eat

[00:26:03] finger food however you want and that's the point of being american as we eat however we want

[00:26:07] American okay okay i could use a knife and fork that's exactly what i'm talking about that's

[00:26:13] how i sound when when a french person or anybody else tell me do not give you a cross on

[00:26:18] why you were just telling them to not eat finger food with them don't order it if you're not

[00:26:22] gonna eat it with your hand no no i was being sarcastic there but my point is that's what it is

[00:26:30] no my point is seriously is that if you're going to eat bread that's like like why bother

[00:26:38] use a knife and fork i can see if you're buttering the bread but there's no need that's a whole

[00:26:43] point of a burger if you're at a baseball game do you eat the burger with a knife and fork at a

[00:26:50] baseball game well no they typically they have of course typically a baseball game sporting events

[00:26:59] do they eat because that's a good question you know like I've been here they have to talk

[00:27:07] again they clearly got to be eating it with their hands a lot of yes they do and they do

[00:27:13] they do and i don't know why i think they do is because it's it's not classified as a restaurant

[00:27:18] yeah so it's okay and i'm like no no you can't like change the rules now yeah they certainly can

[00:27:25] how what it's the location food it's the same but the location changes it and i i i i i agree

[00:27:34] i want to know who i'll agree with whoever does listening to this because

[00:27:38] yeah i think that's the great i think it's my thing where's my thing if you're if you're

[00:27:44] if you're somewhere where it's not customary right where you're going to use a knife and fork

[00:27:48] and i know personally i don't like plastic wear at all it breaks it breaks in the food

[00:27:55] i don't care how you get paper you'll get paper yeah but i and that's even worse and that's

[00:28:00] even worse so don't come to friends well i have my own silverware that i bring i do have silver

[00:28:07] that comes in you can purchase it i got it from amazon you bring it wow

[00:28:10] for bird spoon it has uh chopsticks it has all of that so i have my own silverware that i bring

[00:28:16] because i do not like paper for plates paper for i mean and the worst thing i like is alcohol

[00:28:21] in plastic it is supposed to be in the proper glass and i know right now this is not a proper red

[00:28:26] with wine glass but i will tell you yeah it is not it is not a proper one

[00:28:33] because i mean i mean i mean it's just wide it's wide it's supposed to be the bigger round

[00:28:41] no no there's several different types there's several different types but yes anyway any who

[00:28:47] back to back to that oh no you're fine no but i'm just saying i bring my own silverware so

[00:28:53] i know that if i'm going to be at a sporting event or whatever you know i don't always bring it

[00:28:57] but if i am at a sporting event i will make sure that i pick something that i that first of

[00:29:02] all because of govin and i and i think that's probably the reason why i'm even more tight to my

[00:29:07] knife and fork but i want to make sure that it has a wrapper around it so that my actual hand

[00:29:13] does not touch it so i'm able to eat it so that's the only finger food i will eat

[00:29:19] it will not touch my hand you're going too much that's too much

[00:29:23] i'm sorry man that's that's then you should not be at that game because if you were at that

[00:29:29] i'm glad you told me that because you will not be going to any football games

[00:29:36] well you have to be in the box then there's silverware i just went to the

[00:29:40] keel city park and do the box life i can do the box life exactly but i was at the dolphins in

[00:29:45] Kansas City gaming Germany um you probably saw me posted some pictures and i thought of

[00:29:50] pictures and i was very jealous yes you know but i can assure you yeah i can show you i had

[00:29:58] you know they were serving you know your typical german brat voice and yes did that have the

[00:30:05] wrapper they had the wrapper on it didn't i don't remember but i know it was just a small last bun

[00:30:11] with the biggest sauce but they eat with their hands though the journey and say yeah with

[00:30:14] the hands yeah so i would so i would grab a napkins and i would put it around it so that my hand

[00:30:21] would not touch okay but your hand already touched it in order to grab it to pick up the napkin

[00:30:26] to put it on i will have a napkin in my hand to grasp it and maneuver it in within my hands

[00:30:32] you will not be going to a sporting event with me oh god she'll be wearing the love it'll be

[00:30:37] found i'll be no i'll be the one wearing my chief shirt thank you very much and i'll be saying

[00:30:42] go cheese and we'll be growing it let's go patrick so yeah so yeah no no no no no no no no no no

[00:30:49] that's too much right if you have to do all of that and then so let me ask you this then if it's

[00:30:54] the and we're talking still in line with the etiquette stuff if um you know they have a lot of

[00:31:00] american fast food places here now they have Popeyes here so you're telling me you're going to eat

[00:31:05] fried chicken with that knife and fork i know people say they do this but when you okay

[00:31:12] as a black man i'm gonna get down and dirty in my chicken and i'm not gonna just eat and then just

[00:31:20] leave a little bit on it it is not typical i'll eat that no out of that bone look i'm with you

[00:31:28] but what i'm trying to tell you is initially i will start i will start with a knife or fork

[00:31:33] okay that's fine but no no that's not fine it's like chicken i said fried chicken if it's fried chicken

[00:31:41] chicken chicken no no if it's cooked chicken like like you chicken or something or something like that

[00:31:47] yeah i think for definitely because it's greasy because that's what they did exactly but and when

[00:31:53] you get closer to the bone you pick that sucker up which i had one thing i don't do is chew the

[00:32:00] bone like my jimmy oh god that's my husband that's part of etiquette though and culture it's called

[00:32:08] what are you doing yes my grand mother my even my husband yeah they get like chew the bone

[00:32:17] a man out of it sometimes the best part of the chicken it's seasoned it's it's like and they

[00:32:25] I have not one time head marrow put their hand in it and it's good

[00:32:28] head marrow either um yeah sorry it's just a part of my delicacy but i mean like i don't go that far

[00:32:37] then again i'm just bougie let's just put it up there yeah that's why we will not be going to a

[00:32:41] sporting event with me let me write it down no she could have write it down so full of crap right now

[00:32:47] right now i'm sorry if we're in a sporting event we're gonna be dirty anyway because we're in a

[00:32:52] clothes arena with everybody okay i get it but but my hands are dirt it would have touched a

[00:33:00] railing i've had done something oh yeah for sure and you need to get a tiny

[00:33:04] problem and i'm maybe because i was in the military maybe because well i was in the military

[00:33:09] and you know if it was life or death yeah i probably no no i'm just saying we were all dirty and we

[00:33:15] like but they but they there is no way to emphasize hygiene when it comes to meals

[00:33:22] there was always the hand washing oh yeah the hand wash station and then after that that's the

[00:33:27] whole point and then the term back on your hand yeah most of the time when i'm going to

[00:33:32] yeah but most of the time when i'm going to a sporting event also i'm not going there to eat i'm

[00:33:35] going to the watch the game and drink beer you know i'm not no dear i'm going to eat i'm not going

[00:33:40] to do i do usually at a meeting i don't because i typically do not eat if i do eat i'll have popcorn

[00:33:48] yeah i'll be right here with your hand you're eating it with your hand

[00:33:52] yeah because i put one in an napkin and i eat it oh my god no no trisha okay it's a year

[00:34:00] you're getting everybody else that's listening on this call will be banning trisha from doing

[00:34:05] anything you have the power you have touched the popcorn and you're eating it out of your hands

[00:34:12] okay wow i have done that but i would have you sanitize it a little bit more

[00:34:16] maybe you need to live in France you need to live in France and hang out with my friend

[00:34:20] well maybe should maybe i should and we can test these theories out

[00:34:24] oh mg yeah you were going to let's book a flight let's go

[00:34:28] yeah let's book a flight this year you will not be going to the Olympic Games in France here

[00:34:33] okay before no this is this is good obviously we could see that there is an traveling you know

[00:34:42] wow black and and going to these restaurants wow american at this point

[00:34:47] and american we just yeah i got it i could tell you they don't care if you're black purple whatever

[00:34:53] whatever when you're doing it they just care that you're american and you have no class

[00:34:57] and i've had that i had somebody that said that to me because i was eating with my hand

[00:35:02] burger and i because they even said that i became even more

[00:35:09] that typical annoying american just to say i did just ignore it just because

[00:35:14] no i sure did because number one don't tell me how to eat something that i've purchased

[00:35:22] i gotta i gotta i'm gonna cut you off walk because you brought to get back on that on that

[00:35:26] soapbox again with that you know don't don't dare do this that's the final word i guarantee

[00:35:30] anyone who is listening to this podcast will agree with me nine out of ten will probably agree

[00:35:37] well have to see if they agree okay it just make common sense if i pay for it why can i not eat

[00:35:44] it the way i want to eat it now i'm not saying that i'm gonna be crazy if i'm at an upscale

[00:35:48] restaurant because i have been to a lot of michael michael in restaurants here and no of course i'm

[00:35:53] not going to eat my burger if they gave me a little tiny burger because that's exactly what you

[00:35:57] gonna get that looks pretty and you gotta like use a knife and fork for that so i know my behavior

[00:36:03] but i'm talking about if i'm at a normal cafe mm-hmm like the one that i took you to benaf when we

[00:36:09] accepted or or you know treasure when we were in London together and i took you you know we were

[00:36:16] going and we're eating yeah okay i'm gonna eat with knife and fork to a point if i'm eating a

[00:36:22] very well by the way yes you did it by the way i know my i know my audience you know we got to know

[00:36:27] our audience but if i'm at a cafe you have to read the room i do agree you do have to read the room

[00:36:34] but i also think that it's it's up to your person too i mean obviously for me it's hygiene right so

[00:36:40] there's a there's a thing there for me you know hygiene is the big thing with the food yeah yeah so

[00:36:45] that yeah but you don't know how they cooking it anyway so what's the point a great and look you're

[00:36:50] not the only person this brought that up i'm just saying i will tell you one thing i will not be

[00:36:54] surprised eating i just will not because i found myself an ambassador i'm an ambassador for everyone who

[00:37:02] all the little brown and black girls around the country and i'm just gonna go in there looking any kind

[00:37:07] of way or acting in a way either so that's my mentality when i'm going anywhere i know how to use a

[00:37:13] knife before i know i know i know hot yes i know i know what it is but i just not gonna use it on a damn

[00:37:21] you are really on that so far it made me mad it made me mad don't tell me i can't do something because

[00:37:29] you know an american is gonna be like i want to that's why we end up having shootings

[00:37:34] they're shootings every goddamn week because don't tell me and then what do you mean it that's a

[00:37:40] don't give a name but we just had a shooting in Colorado yeah but didn't no but didn't we didn't we pay

[00:37:47] for it that's my point i paid for it and trust me i have to i agree i have to i had to curve my

[00:37:55] my ways and my feelings a bit because you know in america we can order something and say oh but can

[00:38:00] you hold the onions on the steak or whatever it is oh good that holds anything no because the chef

[00:38:06] is gonna be like you're insulting my food no exactly yeah no let's i mean you haven't even tasted it yet

[00:38:13] you know yeah yeah yeah and that's another thing thank you for bringing up treasure that's another

[00:38:18] thing that a lot of my european friends always say is why do americans always put seasoning or salt

[00:38:25] or pepper or anything that is not all americans thank you very much yeah well that's what they said

[00:38:30] but again you have to read the room where am i going but do they use seasoning or do they not use

[00:38:36] seasoning because if they don't if there's a place that i know for a fact that it's not season

[00:38:40] or whatever circumstances are first of all may not order it but if i if i do or if it's shared

[00:38:46] or what are the circumstances are i'm gonna put damself pepper from sorry i need to know for sure just

[00:38:51] say i i have learned to taste the food before salt and salt and salt it's gonna be one of those

[00:38:56] people that eat and salt when i'm at a certain place because i'm like i know damn well they did not

[00:39:00] season this like my mama do but you know and i try to do it this way so i learned and and and i'll

[00:39:09] taste it first and then i'll ask her you know the salt and pepper kind of thing and stuff like

[00:39:15] doesn't then do whatever I need to do but i still think that we we're spoiled in americans right yeah

[00:39:26] where we think go there and say what you don't have Pepsi i won't Pepsi you know or ranch

[00:39:33] i've i've seen it where i will be traveling to different places and then i just so happen to be

[00:39:41] behind another american and they just be like loud like i was at a French Riviera one time and

[00:39:46] she was like oh honey do you guys have any y'all seasoning salt

[00:39:52] and i'm just like oh my gosh did she just ask for seasoning salt in a French restaurant like no

[00:39:56] know the how you're talking about and the way she said it was like she was right

[00:40:02] like it was okay and for seasoning salt the guy brought out yeah salt just salt right yeah i mean

[00:40:10] well that is seasoning salt yeah but we were talking about all purpose seasoning salt

[00:40:15] I know all purpose i know exactly what she was asking so she's asking for some of that

[00:40:19] slap your mama or that uh or that and she's from the south because i clearly heard her

[00:40:23] oh yeah i was i was going to correct her just but i was like no no no because yeah just leave it

[00:40:30] that's just us and and she was really wanting to get something she was trying to explain it you know

[00:40:36] and it's kind of like spicy and i'm like oh god this is why they have a problem but i think this is

[00:40:44] the greatness of the fact of being able to actually experience these things because some people

[00:40:50] some people that from the states that travel wouldn't know how to do a lot of these things because

[00:40:57] they think it will be okay to do it the way we are normally used to doing it obviously we have

[00:41:02] different point of views on this well yeah but i mean i have gotten you know you get something and

[00:41:07] you're not sure how to eat it right just always embarrassed to watch yeah you have to be watching

[00:41:14] you know what to do with it yeah all right so i think we had a very lively discussion about

[00:41:20] etiquette and cultural differences when it comes to food and how you supposed to eat and stuff like that

[00:41:27] this was very very good good discussion so hopefully folks on the listening to us was able to

[00:41:37] get something out of it if there's something that you wanted to comment about because you know as much

[00:41:42] as we love traveling you guys have your own experiences comments and let us know what what you know

[00:41:48] situations you've been in and we would love to hear what it is and maybe perhaps on the second

[00:41:54] or next podcast we can also go through some of that too as well again thank you guys for this

[00:42:01] lively discussion and as well thank you for yeah i appreciate it yeah look forward to seeing you

[00:42:10] guys for another lively round of discussion again thanks a good time