Benef, Paul, and Trecia reflect on how much domestic and international travel have changed since 9-11 from security protocols to travelers’ mindsets. They share their personal stories of that tragic day and also listen to perspectives from people all over the world.
[00:00:27] It's interesting, well not interesting but like... I was here on September 10th working in the building.
[00:00:38] And you know, just a day, a day earlier, wait, wait, I never know what's going to happen.
[00:00:46] Or where we're going to be, a tragedy strikes.
[00:00:51] And it's just living well with a moment, enjoying each moment being in the present moment.
[00:00:58] Um... yeah. Never taking anything for granted.
[00:01:04] I was coming back on the other day and I remember turning on the TV watching the news on every channel, what happened.
[00:01:10] I was quite young so it was hard to really understand the scale of the idea, the tragedy.
[00:01:16] I think it's worldwide, which to be a tragedy when we started on the right thing.
[00:01:23] Before we might have been in the last couple of white 20, because we really got to know what is the original white you can do.
[00:01:32] And we knew the origin of the alphabet that said boundaries but now it could be a territory of one of its safest countries.
[00:01:40] So it was somewhere in some way that I'm sure but for the better one.
[00:01:47] Even though I was only 10 years old at the time, I honestly remember that day as if it was just a day.
[00:01:54] My mother picked up my brother and I from school as usual,
[00:01:58] And I remember that she was in a hurry to go back home to watch the news.
[00:02:02] I remember nervously explaining in the card that a plane just crashed into a tower in New York.
[00:02:10] Even the sentence still today sounds completely crazy.
[00:02:14] Coming back home, the images on TV were as everybody knows pretty much unbelievable.
[00:02:20] I remember calling immediately my best friend.
[00:02:22] I needed like many ideas to just talk about all these unthinkable images that we all had on our screens.
[00:02:32] And I also remember who's extinct at night, very well remember the heavy atmosphere at home and at schools the day after.
[00:02:43] As Americans you were, you've probably felt hunger and sadness.
[00:02:48] As you've been, we were more flabbergasted by 911.
[00:02:53] We were now living in a world where attacks like 911 are possible.
[00:03:00] So of course that they changed many aspects of our life personally speaking.
[00:03:06] I even did a PhD on terrorism financing.
[00:03:09] So a significant part of my thesis is about analyzing the impact of 911 on a broad perspective.
[00:03:15] I mainly talked about the impact of 911 on the French legal system even 20 years later.
[00:03:22] I'm a lucky guy.
[00:03:23] I traveled extensively with my parents before 911 specifically in the US.
[00:03:30] And after 911 we basically stopped traveling for like 3-4 years.
[00:03:37] Of course at some point I got back to our thing in naturally where not as peaceful as they used to be before 911.
[00:03:44] Knowing that attacks like 911 are possible shaped an entire generation and permanently change some of our habits
[00:03:54] and definitely change our way to see the world.
[00:03:58] I remember the days very very busy.
[00:04:02] I remember in the conference room in the middle of the night.
[00:04:36] You could see the gravity of the situation already in my presence reduction.
[00:04:41] But also generally you know, the only way to have the degree is to be important of the event.
[00:04:46] The way it was presented in the community.
[00:04:49] It was to be a present here, even, hey, you know.
[00:04:54] If you want to see what is happening in the community, okay?
[00:04:59] What has it been for the whole, the parents, the world going to pay doctorate as you can see.
[00:05:03] Oh, my nice people going to pay doctorate as you know, such as home, even for 911 or child.
[00:05:09] I think I remember this moment forever.
[00:05:12] I don't think that from 912 we've had a memory of many memories because you know, forget them after time.
[00:05:18] But it's such a strong emotional and great.
[00:05:20] I think it's really good for them.
[00:05:23] Um, they're 911. I was just entering my senior year of undergrad which is a student at the University.
[00:05:33] That morning I woke up just sick as a dog.
[00:05:37] But I didn't want to miss class and so I still got up in the winter class.
[00:05:44] As soon as I got there, they started evacuating the school.
[00:05:48] Um, I did not know why.
[00:05:51] It wasn't until I got into the car and I turned on the radio and I started about the attacks.
[00:06:00] Did I really know what was going on and it reasoned my evacuating towards the state in the middle.
[00:06:06] It didn't register even though I heard about it in the radio.
[00:06:11] You know, everybody of stations talking about it.
[00:06:14] It didn't really register until I actually got a little code on the vision of and solve things to the building.
[00:06:24] You know, in my everyday life, I'm interested in from sink.
[00:06:28] So the first thing I do when someone does something to me, I always go back to, okay, what did I do?
[00:06:36] Starting off with a situation, what was my party in that?
[00:06:43] And it was a different living life.
[00:06:45] I had the same thoughts like why did this happen?
[00:06:49] Why would anyone do something that's so cool and so horrible?
[00:06:53] What did we have a country of D2 and should be to this, this list?
[00:07:00] Once I got home, we got settled first thing I did was try to reach out to all of my family.
[00:07:05] But you know, our family members and more, first, who thinks cousin is,
[00:07:10] And I tried to call them, but I thought, what's on them?
[00:07:12] Where is my down?
[00:07:14] So it was a very, very scary time.
[00:07:17] I was worried about them because they didn't hear me.
[00:07:21] So yeah, it was just a very scary, very scary.
[00:07:25] In terms of travel, I would say I was a little bit more tired.
[00:07:29] I was just a little bit more happy with my friends and about traveling at first
[00:07:32] Because I'm just going to, like, go see if they were going to happen.
[00:07:39] And you know, of course when I started back to travel again, there was a little bit of a nuisance.
[00:07:46] I have three episodes, and making sure your family members are close.
[00:07:52] I would probably be able to clean, you know, to feel them not being able to walk through all the way to the cake.
[00:07:57] All of that was a change, but they did make it the same thing as I'm sure they did.
[00:08:03] So that's how it impacted my travel.
[00:08:06] Hi everyone.
[00:08:07] We want to welcome you to a very special episode of Rhythm and Rome with Beneath Paul and Trisha.
[00:08:13] We are discussing 9-11 where we were, how we came about, where we are today in travel.
[00:08:23] And we wanted to, you know, bring in some real personal stories because it's, you know, it's a very sensitive topic and we want.
[00:08:33] We, I don't think that we could do a show without recognizing or even having this discussion,
[00:08:40] because it truly has changed the way that we travel.
[00:08:44] And how we relate to each other when we travel.
[00:08:48] Oh, yeah. I mean, if I think back to pre 9-11 about how I used to travel,
[00:08:55] I mean, the great idea wasn't traveling as much as I think all of my travel started actually after 9-11 to be honest or like the majority of it.
[00:09:04] But yeah, it was, it was just go.
[00:09:08] Like, you were just show up and go to the gate.
[00:09:13] I mean, I don't in fact, I don't it's like nothing is striking me about being from previous travel as being like nothing really stands out.
[00:09:23] It was just pretty much show up in and bored.
[00:09:28] I mean, yeah.
[00:09:29] It was definitely a different environment.
[00:09:34] Early and I actually traveled to, I think, I want to say just before or I'm trying to remember when we went to England.
[00:09:43] I'm thinking, I'm trying to remember if it was the year before the year after, but I just remember the, the freeness of it.
[00:09:50] So it had to have been beforehand when we first traveled and how you know going from it for international trip has changed so much.
[00:10:02] And for the fact that, you know, you obviously have to carry less.
[00:10:06] I mean, you wanted to do that anyway, but it really is expensive to try and do that now.
[00:10:13] You know, if you're not minimizing yourself, especially if you're going to UK or passing through Heathrow.
[00:10:20] Well, no, I want to say that initially the joy had gone out of traveling because for me, pre 9-11, it was very much a, it was very much a family thing.
[00:10:30] It was very, it was always light, it was happy, you know, it was something carefree about it and, you know, certainly after 9-11 things turned a bit.
[00:10:40] No, I was just going to say, I mean, I remember where I was, so I was at Fort Detroit, I was in a meeting and we got the first.
[00:10:49] I mean, so let's wear four detrickers.
[00:10:50] Oh, yes, this is just Friedrich Maryland. Thank you.
[00:10:53] That's not a very common.
[00:10:55] No, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:10:56] Yeah, because I was thinking where the hell is that?
[00:10:59] And so we were in a meeting in the G3, you know, it was foam kept going off and we're just like, I was like, more dude, like, could you silence your phone?
[00:11:07] And he went out and answered it, came back and was like, a plane just crashed into the world trades in our, you know, one of the towers and we're like, what a horrible accident.
[00:11:16] Go on, that's terrible.
[00:11:18] Yeah, and so we went on with the meeting and then his phone kept going off again.
[00:11:23] And we're like, Jesus dude, like, get your act together.
[00:11:26] And then he said it was a second plane and it's now being a terrorist attack.
[00:11:30] And we all left went back to my office.
[00:11:34] And when I saw the towers fall, I was like, holy, I mean, I just thought, like things will never be the same again.
[00:11:42] And like I had that moment of just, like understanding that our world would never be the same exact.
[00:11:53] You know what's funny about that?
[00:11:54] It's not funny, but what was interesting about what you just said, been after is so for me, there was two things that I remember like, and because they were just closely related.
[00:12:06] And I was moving from America to living Europe because of work, you know, when I was in a government.
[00:12:16] That's where I was moving to do my first living abroad and moving to Germany and living there.
[00:12:25] And the reason why I remember prior to 911, I don't know if you guys remember the amazing singer, Alia, Alia passed away, like maybe two weeks before.
[00:12:36] 3 weeks before 911 happened.
[00:12:38] And I remember that is because I was about to fly myself and the week before I flew Alia passed away from a plane crash, so I don't know why that stuck in my head.
[00:12:54] But my story of memories of where what was I doing back in 911 is on the same word in same memory and with you, but because, you know, like you,
[00:13:05] it was in the working for the government, but I was living in Germany and I distinctly remember it was a long freaking day.
[00:13:16] I was, I just finished, I was an operations officer.
[00:13:20] So I was in charge of putting together like our plan to go do training and all this other stuff.
[00:13:26] And I just finished, it was like 3 o'clock in the morning and I just finished and I was getting ready to go back to work.
[00:13:32] It was like five o'clock, so only been on three hours of sleep preparing 86 slides for presentation for training that we're about to do in Poland.
[00:13:42] Next thing you know, one of my co-workers, busted an hour door because I was getting ready, it was presenting and was like, hey my wife just said that a plane hit the world trade center.
[00:13:54] Like you, but now I just thought I was like, oh, I just wanted those little planes because you know those little planes always hit the side of a building in New York City, especially.
[00:14:03] So we didn't think anything, there's like, okay, whatever.
[00:14:06] And then literally like five minutes later he just runs in again and mind you, I mean Europe so he just runs in again he's like, oh she just said that the other tower just got here.
[00:14:18] And then we just ran and through turn on the, you know, the TV because I never forget it was like four o'clock PM Germany time which is nineish where something like that in New York.
[00:14:31] And we literally saw this smoke and being a New Yorker, you know, like I literally it didn't register at all.
[00:14:40] That's like it seemed very surreal. It was very, very surreal.
[00:14:43] Completely surreal, we're like, okay, but I still didn't give a face. I was like, oh, alright, don't just put the fire out. It's new York, you know what I mean?
[00:14:52] I mean building's going fire all the time. But I didn't register this severity of it until I literally saw one of the towers crumble.
[00:15:06] But right then and there as soon as that tower crumbled, I never forget all of a sudden there was someone that came in and just like change a plan.
[00:15:16] No one leaves because remember I'm in a different country so no one knew if they were just Targette Americans.
[00:15:23] So just imagine like and we never know what we never, all the generation has never seen or been in a war because when you know we were young.
[00:15:34] So now we're going to say we're like, we're going to war like what's going on and then all of a sudden it was just a sense of maybe some anger but at the same time confusion because I'm like, like this doesn't happen in America.
[00:15:46] And I was just, you know, taking back and we could not leave like our office area. Like I've always stayed in our base.
[00:15:56] Well, we had the same thing. We was like, I think forced protection condition Delta, everything went locked down and the Pentagon obviously got hit. I was had just been.
[00:16:06] And I was in the Pentagon on the cameras hand. I was in there working and you know wasn't there the next day, but yeah all these.
[00:16:15] And it was just Matt House.
[00:16:18] I, you know, and I never, I never, you know, before we, we were discussing, you know, even talking about this, you know, it never dawned on me how this would be so different.
[00:16:30] Your experience versus versus mine. I mean, you know both you've been at the fall both of you is just you know with you being in the military at the time.
[00:16:39] It must have been I mean, okay first of all there was nothing normal about it whatsoever.
[00:16:44] You know we just described that it was very surreal being a civilian and not knowing, you know, kind of the behind the scenes and what you know what the procedures and policies and those things are.
[00:16:55] I mean, I just got my wisdom to it. I mean how how normal is that right? Just a normal procedure.
[00:17:01] It was probably three or four days into it. I felt like I was getting a dry socket so it's you know on the phone to the doctor and I'm looking at the morning news.
[00:17:10] And and and they had just shown the first plane flying in to the tower now first thing I'm thinking is this, you know, some kind of, you know,
[00:17:20] and I don't even want to say AI but really you know, was this was this real first of all.
[00:17:27] And then and then second of all, you know, how how could that happen because you know, don't we have it for the mean.
[00:17:36] I'm just thinking like don't we have like some navigation or something is going to say hey.
[00:17:40] Right, really close to building it was an accident.
[00:17:44] So then when the second and then watching it as a second plane goes in, you know, and then in it and then in registers and I'm like a wait a minute.
[00:17:54] Okay, that can't happen twice right so you know, watching it unfold and you know and playing through and I just remember thinking, oh my god.
[00:18:05] That is the 90 second floor that is where I just know it because not only did I work but my mother worked in that building when she was an assistant to.
[00:18:18] And so you know, Wall Street, you know, basically to stop workers there and she was assistant to the buyers and she used to work in that building and I used to meet her there.
[00:18:26] I went up to the office so it was so surreal that's the only thing I think of and then mask confusion.
[00:18:35] So until that third plane hit and now it's at the Pentagon, then it all registered.
[00:18:41] Yeah, and I just remember everything being nearly.
[00:18:44] Yeah, because then the other plane and hands of the yeah, so I think when the Pentagon when the plane hit the Pentagon.
[00:18:53] That's when it registered for me because I was still in shock with New York.
[00:18:59] With the towers for one because like you Trisha my sister.
[00:19:02] Like how did this happen? Yeah, my sister worked downtown as well and I was wondering if she got caught up because of the subway and all this but it's weird because then God.
[00:19:12] She ended up running late for work that day and she was like in the time square area, but nowhere close to downtown.
[00:19:23] Yeah, there were so many stories like that that day and so many people have said that those things.
[00:19:29] If I could make sure yeah if I could take a picture of what like freezing at in time of how we were especially it was so.
[00:19:38] I think I felt stifled because I was not in America.
[00:19:42] I was in Germany and I felt so useless because I was just like watching this happen and I was like,
[00:19:50] Whoa, what's going on? How are you gonna like, you know, like not know and my I was just like, wait, I'm in New York and like.
[00:19:57] And that when the New York attitude that's what it popped in exactly you're like, what is this I went I went straight into New York mode for sure.
[00:20:04] I'm like, is this going to get away with this shit exactly it yeah you there's some anger there's some anger there.
[00:20:10] Yeah, we're pretty yeah it's but it all just showed the resilience right so.
[00:20:15] Oh yeah absolutely but right away we knew because my boss at the time was like.
[00:20:21] Get ready fellas we're going to war.
[00:20:23] I thought it was joking because nobody at the time knew what that help what the hell war was.
[00:20:29] I mean when when Gulf War happened we were in high school so.
[00:20:34] Yeah, it entered there's a piece of time army when we entered yeah so we didn't think we were ever going to be doing whatever and.
[00:20:42] So said so done you know my unit was one of the first on the ground March 19 when Bush gave the order go get them.
[00:20:52] And I distinctly remember all of this in the pent up anger.
[00:20:57] And frustration and not knowing kind of thing but at the same time the interesting part for me.
[00:21:03] When 9 and 11 happened couple days we were able to be released out of our office spaces where I live for like three days.
[00:21:10] Back to where wherever we were living and I was living in the city and thank for at the time.
[00:21:16] And I never forget my neighbor baked me a cake and then Germans started to bring flowers to our base.
[00:21:24] And it was just the kind hardiness of all the Europeans and I was not understanding why the hell would they be nice to us.
[00:21:32] And I was just like do they think we're going to attack them or whatever like I was thinking about it.
[00:21:37] So there was a lot of out of supporting of support for American.
[00:21:42] But you know I once they found out who the people flying the plane were so the Americans that were of any sort of middle Eastern descent.
[00:21:53] We know we're on just in fact like I'm half afghan.
[00:21:58] And so you know a few days later we're still like for coming around trying not far from laying around but trying to figure out how supporting because our.
[00:22:06] My military police company were the the guards for the alternate relocation site of the government and so we were you know we were busy but and I.
[00:22:16] You know had to figure out what we needed to do but one of my soldiers.
[00:22:22] She voiced that she was didn't trust me and much suspicious of me because I was half afghan and the first sergeant shut that down but I was like.
[00:22:33] You couldn't understand why.
[00:22:35] Yeah because I've always identified myself as American and yes I have that in you know roots and everything but to think that that I would be in league with these people.
[00:22:47] You know flying into buildings was it seemed absolutely insane to me and but there was a lot of Americans that.
[00:22:55] Yes, that is true.
[00:22:56] So that looked like they were from the middle east or there.
[00:23:01] And all.
[00:23:03] Well here's what's but and you know here's a thing too because I think that was the first time I mean at least I think for myself and again I can only speak for me on you know on the side of being a civilian and you know normal mom at that time.
[00:23:19] Is that I think that was the first time that we had ever been.
[00:23:24] In the face of the fact that.
[00:23:27] Or in question of the person who was next to us if they could do this and they because what they because what the news initially was saying that these you know that these men.
[00:23:37] You know had portrayed as they were this or as if they were that and you know they were normal or that they were you know they worked here or they did this here so.
[00:23:49] Who was this person next to me now that I'm working with are they just pretending you know is there a greater motive for that so I think that was the first time as Americans that we had ever been touched by that like to possibly think that someone else.
[00:24:05] To be responsible well I think it's only.
[00:24:08] It gives us it.
[00:24:10] Yeah because they certainly had like back before we were born you know is somebody of course start they a.
[00:24:17] Conditioning.
[00:24:17] Right right right.
[00:24:18] I think in modern day if we will in our own time right.
[00:24:23] But but but enough no you made that is 100% accurate because I can relate as well.
[00:24:31] Because I was going to ask you how did your family you know cope with that because I know that they got stereo type or you know just.
[00:24:40] Well my general because I haven't they weren't here like the the majority of my cousins had not immigrated yet to the United States.
[00:24:50] But but you're.
[00:24:51] For example, did he was here yeah no I mean she was.
[00:24:55] I don't recall her having mom if you're watching please comment because I don't recall like anyone getting suspicious of you.
[00:25:05] At all really but like people that had last names that sounded so some of my you know the last cousin Ali you grew up in the states have names that sound more.
[00:25:15] More version more not they're not air but they sound you know the Americans can't tell the difference to be honest so yeah and when they started implementing security measures at the airports people with those types of names.
[00:25:30] Yeah, and let's be honest all three of us well I know I can speak for myself.
[00:25:40] When well let me go back a little bit.
[00:25:42] When all this situation happened I thought it was fascinating.
[00:25:47] To see pictures from the news of absolutely no planes flying from western Europe.
[00:25:56] Oh, absolutely.
[00:25:57] And that's why I said it was nearly quiet.
[00:26:00] I was really quiet or what four or five days almost a week no plane to the sky.
[00:26:05] I was probably a week or something but I just just yeah that there was no planes in the atmosphere was just amazing to just be able to see that but at the same time.
[00:26:19] Fastballing the second time only the second time absolutely because of the pandemic because of the pandemic was the same way.
[00:26:24] That's true but at the same time I will be a fool to say two things when we when they open it back up for folks to start being able to travel and we'll get into the security and impact of that.
[00:26:39] I'm not going to lie and say that you start to look at people funny that have you know the beard or the burka well you know and things like this.
[00:26:48] I'm not going to stop again, right?
[00:26:49] But stop again and that was throwing in front of us.
[00:26:52] Yeah when I see someone as traveling as such because of the media like you said Trisha you know you start to say.
[00:27:02] Should I be worried should I be like right?
[00:27:04] Just like anyone who does a big ask off now I like you're like.
[00:27:09] Please.
[00:27:12] I'm like that.
[00:27:14] That's the day that 9 11 was a door for the government to be able to do what they do now and and the overreach.
[00:27:24] I feel that they have in certain in certain in certain areas you know we you know we allow them but.
[00:27:30] No man there.
[00:27:31] That was after 9 11.
[00:27:35] Oh, apartment.
[00:27:36] Yeah.
[00:27:36] I was going to say let's let's touch on that a little bit further on how 9 11 impacted.
[00:27:43] All of us when we travel now because we already talked about how it was prior to 9 11 everybody your family can go up to the gate and be like bye you did have this go.
[00:27:52] We did a metal detector.
[00:27:54] I think you did but yeah that was it that was it.
[00:27:58] There weren't any of you you can't.
[00:28:01] There wasn't the shoe thing because the shoe bombing thing that was later and that was.
[00:28:06] And now we all have to take off our shoes.
[00:28:10] Oh, go home.
[00:28:11] Yeah still taking off shoes.
[00:28:13] No the shoe bomber guy was on the plane.
[00:28:17] I forgot about that.
[00:28:19] Yes.
[00:28:20] And that's where the shoe thing came from and we're still doing it other countries.
[00:28:24] Yeah.
[00:28:24] We can finally suck.
[00:28:26] Well.
[00:28:27] Well, it's me.
[00:28:28] Unless you're on first class with business class.
[00:28:31] You don't have to take issues or TSA pre-check which.
[00:28:33] Are we gonna get a little bit of a report?
[00:28:36] Yeah, because I'm absolutely I'll never forget that.
[00:28:38] I flew to DC and I'm trying to remember what year that was.
[00:28:42] I don't remember I went to DC.
[00:28:43] I did not have to take my shoes off.
[00:28:46] Had scissors had a small one.
[00:28:47] Those little small pockets.
[00:28:48] There's in my purse in the pocket.
[00:28:51] And that you know the back pocket so they thought they thought you were here with your old shoes.
[00:28:56] Yes.
[00:28:58] We're getting there with his.
[00:28:59] I will work when we were getting the orders that go in the
[00:29:05] deploy and I never get because when we actually deployed,
[00:29:08] we actually took American Airlines.
[00:29:10] That's what flew us into a great,
[00:29:13] a station area.
[00:29:15] However, the funny thing is we were going through
[00:29:17] a normal airport, Frankfurt Airport.
[00:29:20] You should see the look on people's face in the airport
[00:29:23] because why we had our guns with us?
[00:29:27] Which we fall weapons in all tactical gear and the facial expression of
[00:29:34] every German was just like horror.
[00:29:37] But they were back in the war too.
[00:29:39] But the funny thing was the funniest thing I would never forget this
[00:29:43] was when we had to go through, obviously, the security check.
[00:29:48] But we had to throw away our water bottles.
[00:29:52] But would you come bring your gun?
[00:29:54] What's your most hilarious big ever?
[00:29:56] Well, that is weird.
[00:29:58] I will tell you, I will tell you, Ben F.A. Paul,
[00:30:00] I did not realize that there were armed pilots.
[00:30:02] I knew there were air marshals but I did not realize that there were armed pilots.
[00:30:06] I didn't know that either.
[00:30:08] I don't know about that.
[00:30:09] But as far as air marshals,
[00:30:12] there had been there because you forget of all the air jackings
[00:30:14] that they used to have,
[00:30:15] by the 60s.
[00:30:17] Yeah, well even in the 80s, there was a lot of them.
[00:30:21] So there was air marshals from the war.
[00:30:22] I checked in but nobody died.
[00:30:25] Let me transition just slightly and just say,
[00:30:28] well, ask you guys, how did everything that happened in 9.11?
[00:30:33] I know we were joking a little bit.
[00:30:34] But how did that impact you guys in traveling from the jump?
[00:30:40] Now that because now that we're adults and we're traveling more or less?
[00:30:43] So I mean, my cousin got married in Belgium.
[00:30:46] It was in the following year 2002.
[00:30:49] I remember being like, oh no.
[00:30:52] I might have been to December because I was worried
[00:30:54] that I wasn't going to be able to go.
[00:30:57] But thankfully I was cleared to go.
[00:30:58] So it was pretty quick that I was
[00:31:00] worrying about international travel.
[00:31:02] Well, it's quite annoying already because I had already
[00:31:09] had apprehensions of traveling as it was because I was a big girl.
[00:31:14] So being loved of regular size, I call myself.
[00:31:20] But being a larger person, I already had apprehensions
[00:31:24] of small spaces, also being claustrophobic.
[00:31:28] And also just sitting down in a seat.
[00:31:31] So on top of the fact that I had to worry about it,
[00:31:33] for someone was going to blow up the plane.
[00:31:36] Or whatever the circumstance or take it over,
[00:31:40] that just kind of added, it was a little bit more.
[00:31:42] But I thought more did you travel?
[00:31:45] Oh, definitely travel.
[00:31:46] Oh, no, no, I did not have fear.
[00:31:49] I had apprehensions.
[00:31:51] Well, I do understand where your level of that.
[00:31:55] And viewers, please, our viewers, our listeners out there,
[00:32:00] what are your thoughts on this?
[00:32:01] As we interrupt this up, let us know what you think.
[00:32:06] And kind of your thought process on what post 911,
[00:32:10] and post pandemic travel is now.
[00:32:12] And where it was, where it is today,
[00:32:16] it would be very interesting to see what others and other experiences.
[00:32:19] And please, if you've had any 911 experiences or anything like,
[00:32:23] God, please let us know.
[00:32:24] We'd love to share and speak with you about that.
[00:32:28] We can go ahead and comment on that.
[00:32:31] Or if you have videos, if you're comfortable
[00:32:33] and sharing your videos of thoughts or whatever.
[00:32:36] Yeah, yeah.
[00:32:37] Send it to us.
[00:32:38] We're very great.
[00:32:39] We'll be happy to post it on our Facebook
[00:32:41] and our social media.
[00:32:43] Yeah, we'd love to communicate with you.
[00:32:46] So guys, I think that was a,
[00:32:49] you know, we had a great discussion about 911.
[00:32:52] And I think the one thing that we can take away
[00:32:55] is that it definitely changed the way that we see each other,
[00:32:59] the way that we relate to one another,
[00:33:01] as I opened the show with that.
[00:33:03] But also more importantly,
[00:33:04] is the way that we treat each other.
[00:33:05] So on that, I want to say, I love you guys.
[00:33:10] I'm making a point to say I love you too.
[00:33:12] Those who are near and dear me because it's so important.
[00:33:16] But more importantly, we need you to subscribe
[00:33:19] and like and comment on our shows.
[00:33:23] So, but until next time, thank you.