Why We Travel

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[00:00:12] Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Rhythm & Roam with your host, myself Benef. We have Paul, we have Trecia

[00:00:20] and here's where we discuss our travel adventures and explore cultural differences, similarities,

[00:00:26] misconceptions and all the craziness in between. So get ready for a passport, Knuckle ride as we tackle

[00:00:32] another crazy issue for y'all. So yeah, excited to be back. We've got another interesting interview

[00:00:40] for you with some of Trecia's friends and we're discussing why we travel. Let's talk.

[00:00:48] All right, so yes. I travel because I'm bored. No, I'm joking. Because we're bored. Okay, yeah, that's a reason.

[00:00:56] That's the reason why I hopped on a plane last minute, maybe, you know, made my plane reservation Sunday night

[00:01:00] and traveled again on Monday. So spontaneous travels the best baby.

[00:01:04] I absolutely love it. It was a great trip. But anyway, so just to get started on what we're talking about today.

[00:01:12] These are friends of mine that I've known now for gosh, probably close to 20 years. We kind of raised our children together on the same street.

[00:01:22] And basically we wanted to talk about cultural differences and just basically what it is about what is it about travel?

[00:01:30] Like what is the essence of that and kind of their experiences. And I think they gave us some really great topics to talk about.

[00:01:38] But fully gracious. So I've had the opportunity to travel all over the world for work, which is super fortunate every continent,

[00:01:48] either for personal reasons or work reasons. But I remember specifically the first time I went to Romania to progress.

[00:01:57] And it's not that it's that big of a thing. Maybe it was just that nobody prepared me for it. But when I went there was a massive,

[00:02:07] a massive Catholic celebration where tens of thousands of people took to the street to celebrate. It was a particular religious day, holy day.

[00:02:21] But they were especially celebratory because they were coming out of communism. And I didn't realize that they only came out of communism like in the last 50 years.

[00:02:33] I mean recent if you think about it. And so and the communists when they came in had destroyed churches that were thousands of years old.

[00:02:43] And I had no idea. And some of them what they did is they put up these false facades to hide the churches from the communists marching to save them.

[00:02:54] So these now religious holidays had this incredible import to them because they were able to save and they really treasured and appreciated.

[00:03:05] And I just knew nothing about that. I just had never realized about the communist occupation and that the freedom from it was so recent.

[00:03:15] And then they had these massive walks where they would march through the streets and take up like Main Street effectively for miles.

[00:03:26] So that was a huge surprise for me and really super, super interesting historically.

[00:03:33] And I've learned that even though I had traveled to Europe a lot, and I know Europe is incredibly rich in history and culture,

[00:03:42] that each country had a very different richness in history and culture.

[00:03:48] So you can't just assume because you've been to London or France that the same thing applies to Romania.

[00:03:56] It's every one of them has a very different story and situation.

[00:04:00] And that was really eye-opening and incredible for me.

[00:04:04] Well, one of the things I noticed was that us three and of course with your friends all seem to have in common is that we're really looking to explore different cultures

[00:04:15] and understand the history and how they perceive things and how that's different from us as Americans.

[00:04:21] And so I really got that from what they said because that's what makes it so interesting, so juicy and spicy.

[00:04:29] I mean, even in different parts of the US you can get that, but I just feel like when I'm someplace foreign then it's just the awareness is intensified.

[00:04:38] Yeah, and I think you know, I thought it was interesting.

[00:04:45] Like I agree with everything you guys are both saying on that.

[00:04:49] My biggest reason honestly on why I travel is because, and I think I said it before even in my bio, for some reason I just love to immerse myself into something that is totally different than where I come from.

[00:05:05] You know, where people don't sound like me a lot of times people don't look like me.

[00:05:11] And then just yeah, just try to not be where the stereotype of what people think of an American and most of the time it shocks shock people that we're not what they all think we are and stuff like this and and try to try to be within the local atmosphere.

[00:05:32] And I just find that to be really, really fascinating and and just go into places where I know is undiscovered and and let me not get it twisted when I say undiscovered I don't mean like I'm going to hang out in the

[00:05:47] Amazon or something like this I'm talking about, you know, somewhere where I know I don't have to get hurt.

[00:05:54] Well, here's the question do you find that the greater the cultural differences, the greater or the harder it is to try to integrate or the more difficult the experience or the more anxiety.

[00:06:09] Because I've found that it does require me to be more on if I'm traveling to a place that's vastly different from the United States versus traveling to the UK or Australia, English.

[00:06:26] I think I'm going to another place where it's like very different like China or Thailand, Japan, any of the, any of the Asian countries. It's the difference is so great that I, if I'm not in the right mindset, I can I can have extreme anxiety.

[00:06:46] That's definitely a good point you made that is definitely a good point you made and, and I think Trisha your friends at some point may touch on it and stuff like this too as well because while you say you feel some kind of anxiety, I think I do too as well.

[00:07:01] It's, it's more on to the point of at first when I used to travel and I was just like a baby when it came to traveling was like I had this confident but I had this American confidence, like, I'm American so y'all can do nothing to me that type of attitude.

[00:07:18] And as I, you know, start to live in different had the opportunities to actually live in different areas and stuff like this.

[00:07:26] That slowly dissipate or like disintegrated and I don't feel that way anymore what I tend to want and to feel like now is to actually understand the laws to actually not be the one that's the arrogant and and whatever because

[00:07:44] you will find out very quickly how you get shut down and no one cares, you know, kind of thing so then the anxiety stops and my anxiety now, honestly is looking at the fact that okay I know if I go here like with my friend went who's from Slovakia.

[00:08:05] When I go to Slovakia, I know for a fact my anxiety is going to be because I don't look like them.

[00:08:10] So, you know, that's where I will definitely start to look at different things, maybe checking the embassy US embassy to see if there's anything going on or there's any specifics of issues or whatever like that.

[00:08:25] So I can be mindful and I think people who's watching or listening will you know understand that and and and be thumbs up and agreeing on that too as well.

[00:08:36] So I think for me every way we've gone, try to get off the beaten path, learn, do what the locals do eat with the locals eat and immerse yourself and try different things.

[00:08:48] This one never tried Virgin might in Australia, but you know if it's eating sea or if it's eating squid or octopus or whatever the local delicacy is go for it.

[00:08:58] Enjoy it and immerse yourself and otherwise to me there's no point traveling to go to Europe and stay in holiday or eat at a McDonald's or something that to me just doesn't make any sense.

[00:09:08] If I'm going to be there, I want to be immersive. I want to understand the culture.

[00:09:12] I mean, is it what foods do they eat? You know, dances, celebrations, things like that.

[00:09:19] I think when it comes to that but I think for me the biggest thing is you know I've traveled to a handful of places where English wasn't spoken probably less than that.

[00:09:36] But for the most part, you know, if you're in a city you will find someone or get someone that can but you know if you're in more rural areas that's what you'll find.

[00:09:45] But my point is that for me the anxiety is just more a language barrier. I'm still innate to myself and knowing I don't know what it is.

[00:09:57] I'm not sure where that comes from but maybe it's just me. I just feel that we as people relate, you know, we have more similarities than we have differences.

[00:10:07] So the fact that, you know, I may need to find something to eat or I mean those are basic things right so so I'm not concerned about that so much.

[00:10:18] I'm more worried about them understanding what I'm trying to get to.

[00:10:24] Here's a question I have because I guess I'm realizing that there I have a couple like two different anxieties like the first would be if I'm traveling with my children and they're older now so it's less of an issue but like I would have to be the one to figure everything out, especially like in English speaking countries, my husband is 100% down with helping me but if we were traveling someplace where they didn't speak English,

[00:10:47] you know, he just is like okay, like I was the one that was going to have to figure it out. And that means that everyone's depending on me to get from point A to point B.

[00:10:56] That's a lot of pressure. So that's the one type of anxiety. But if I'm traveling by myself and it's a place I'm they don't speak English I might not be familiar with or maybe I don't feel safe in that country then it's the positive like I'm female and now I'm on guard everywhere.

[00:11:16] Right. Yeah. And I don't want to go out at night because why put myself on I don't know kung fu or jiu jitsu.

[00:11:24] So then you know I have that like sense of just

[00:11:29] Yeah, Malala.

[00:11:31] I think we all can agree. Yeah, I think we can all agree with that.

[00:11:36] And I think we can all agree that probably all of us and probably folks that are that are listening to as well, the number one anxiety on why not why we travel but when we travel that we're going to worry about is our people going to want to speak with us in English.

[00:11:54] And now my anxiety is this like, I've been here living here two years now. And I feel like they're going to just get so fed up with me in speaking to me in English and then listening to my broken French.

[00:12:07] And because I've already had a little bit nuances of people, you know, colleagues or whatever they'll be like, Oh, you've been here two years and you don't speak French yet. Like if this could be just France or Paris, where they automatically have a timeline of when you're supposed to be perfect.

[00:12:26] I feel this right now. And, but if you remember I texted you and I, or both of you guys I texted you guys because I'm just trying to write in French.

[00:12:35] Right.

[00:12:36] And Lord knows it's just, you know, I was I was just at the hospital a couple days ago. And it's obviously a French hospital. And when I tell you, no one spoke English, they speak English but they just did not want to speak English with me.

[00:12:53] It was like, the anxiety was like at the peak because I was like, I was going to French and they were just, they were just like, huh.

[00:13:04] They understand me and then they'll try to say something back in English and I'm like, but you speak English and they're like, no, no, no, it's not good.

[00:13:11] I mean, but I think also because I've had this occur thing happen to me. Well, if I go to a place where I do look like them, and they're expecting me to speak the language that I have anxiety because like I'm supposed to be fitting, you know, they're expecting me to act a certain way and I don't like in

[00:13:28] Mexico, they are expecting me to speak Spanish and when I don't they get confused. You know, or I'd speak like the, you know, four sentences that I know and it's in this rapid fire Spanish and I'm like, oh my God.

[00:13:42] But also that's to happen in Italy, it's happened in Puerto Rico it's happened. I mean, obviously in China and Japan and Korea like, ain't nobody gonna be thinking I mean they would be surprised if I could come out with like fluent Korean.

[00:13:55] And then I say, oh, that's all I know.

[00:14:01] But it has it has to do with the way that you look them.

[00:14:04] Yeah, it does. Absolutely. So and I, you know, and I didn't realize how much that again caused a sort of anxiety or a sort of feeling of insecurity or inferiority because even though I'm not Italian or not Mexican or Spanish like it.

[00:14:23] Because they think that I should be then I feel inadequate.

[00:14:29] Well, and I think it has to do with the fact that I mean I'm half black half Afghan. And don't unfortunately identify really with those cultures. And I don't speak Farsi and so I've always sort of had like this issue around language, because I don't speak the language of my mother.

[00:14:46] I know I had that experience when I was in Paris.

[00:14:49] I had I actually had someone asked me, you're not African are you.

[00:14:55] Well, yeah, actually 73%.

[00:14:59] But what they were trying to say was that I was not African like an African their African African African country. Yeah, they assumed without me even opening my mouth that I was from someplace else.

[00:15:15] But of course by the time I open my mouth to explain to them what we mean by that. Oh, you're American.

[00:15:22] But most of the time they can tell we're American just by the way we walk sometimes just by the way we like redress the dress.

[00:15:30] Although automatically I can pick up on an American when I travel anywhere outside of America, like just a way to be a little bit more confident to yeah, when we go out and do it.

[00:15:41] But we've been to places in different countries where we're there with other Americans and they maybe have a few drinks and they turn so stinking cowboy loud.

[00:15:55] I mean just arrogant loud.

[00:15:58] I don't and just and it just turns people off.

[00:16:04] It's horrible. And then they don't understand why people aren't cow-towing to them or whatever.

[00:16:11] And it's embarrassing.

[00:16:13] I will say as an American, it is so embarrassing to go to places where Americans are being like that.

[00:16:23] Because I want to say that's not all of us. Please don't judge me based on what this individual is doing.

[00:16:33] And that is by far for me personally and I know you feel the same way that we just are so conscious and literally embarrassed in some cases.

[00:16:46] I'll like pretend to be.

[00:16:48] I'll pretend to be not American.

[00:16:51] I'll pretend to be not American. It's like nope, not me.

[00:16:54] That's not new.

[00:16:55] Just wait for us to possible around.

[00:16:57] That's right. That's right.

[00:16:59] The loud. I mean it's like the third time that's been mentioned now by three different people.

[00:17:05] We didn't do any like coaching but Americans are loud.

[00:17:09] Even the Americans said that.

[00:17:12] Yeah.

[00:17:13] That's interesting.

[00:17:15] And that being said, just kind of transitioning to another piece of that is how do we try to get the best experience when we're out there doing all kinds of travel?

[00:17:27] Because we mentioned a lot of things that actually add in a lot when it comes to culture, when it comes to how we should be careful or whatever it is.

[00:17:41] And it doesn't matter black, white, purple, green or whatever you are.

[00:17:45] It's just how do you make sure you get the best experience that you can possibly get?

[00:17:50] I mean I always try to do like some sort of walking food tour.

[00:17:56] I mean that I feel like I really just exploring the food.

[00:17:59] I mean hopefully it's something that I find appetizing to eat but because I feel like through the food is one way that I can.

[00:18:06] I mean everybody got to eat.

[00:18:08] I'm bringing it back.

[00:18:09] Because like we traveled to other places.

[00:18:11] We're bringing it back.

[00:18:12] No, this is good.

[00:18:13] We want to know about their history, their culture and people that come to America are you think that they're looking?

[00:18:18] I'm interested in about our history, about our culture.

[00:18:21] Like what is American culture if we're such a melting pot?

[00:18:24] So what are they coming to see?

[00:18:26] Because are they coming to learn about the actual history of the land?

[00:18:31] Right.

[00:18:32] No, what they're coming to see in America and I can attest to this because I've spoken to people from different places from all over.

[00:18:41] Even when I lived in Asia or you know like when people come to America whether it's the visit or to live like I have a friend of mine who's from Italy.

[00:18:51] He has his mindset to wanting to move to America.

[00:18:55] I'm like why?

[00:18:56] You live in Italy.

[00:18:57] Are you kidding me?

[00:18:58] That's me saying this and he is saying he's always wanting to go to America.

[00:19:02] And one of the things that they really truly look at is because they see us on TV and they see you know that whole land of the free and being able to make money and it's not wrong.

[00:19:14] It's just that they're not looking at it as how an American would look at visiting whether it's Europe or a different country because I know when I'm here.

[00:19:23] I get so mad when I see people just walking by these buildings and the cobblestones remember I told you this, but never when I see our country is not as it's not as old so the architecture isn't as exciting.

[00:19:36] Yeah, but even the cultural piece of it like I love it like I don't feel when I'm in America maybe because I'm American and I don't I just don't feel it but I don't feel when I'm in America and I'm living there that it's a cultural like New York.

[00:19:52] You know, yeah when I go and go get a slice or when I go to, you know, go get my bagel egg and cheese or bacon egg and cheese on the bagel is considered culture in New York.

[00:20:03] Well because everybody everybody brought their own culture as you so lovingly kept saying about the melting pot so that's my point.

[00:20:11] Their American culture is like we don't have one.

[00:20:15] What does it mean to be American other than like our films and our TV.

[00:20:19] I want to see our big buildings they just wanted to, isn't they don't come here to see American culture they come here to see. Ooh, I want to go to New York City because I saw it on TV and all these big buildings and people.

[00:20:31] That is culture.

[00:20:34] I mean, I understand where you're coming from in that and you know, in respect to that and as far because I know how I feel when I go, you know, abroad, I, I'm going.

[00:20:47] I'm definitely going to immerse myself in the culture I want the food I want the wine I you know I want I want all of that but more importantly the architecture I absolutely love.

[00:20:55] I also appreciate that here, believe it or not. I mean yes it's not as new, but like for instance I just got back to DC.

[00:21:02] It's completely different than what I get here in Houston which is why there's nothing there, but you know, I agree with you on this.

[00:21:10] There's the hotels there's that you know it's the it's the pubs the mall area, you know all those yeah those those areas that are there so it is very different.

[00:21:19] I really do think though it is it has to do with the mindset and the and the of that person.

[00:21:26] What are you looking for when you travel I think that's a fair question.

[00:21:30] I mean the mindset.

[00:21:31] Yeah, yeah, and I know the reasons why you're doing that.

[00:21:34] Yeah, what when I speak like I said when I speak with a lot of, you know, folks especially here in Europe, that I know, when they say they wanted to visit and they don't even want to visit America, they there's three major places they want to visit.

[00:21:48] Take a wild guess what those three places are.

[00:21:51] Florida, New York, Los Angeles, Florida, exactly California.

[00:21:56] Yeah, it's very rare you'll see outside of America wanted to visit inland of America they want to see New York City, Miami or Florida in general and Los Angeles.

[00:22:09] Very rare they'll go anywhere else, maybe Chicago, but very rare they'll go anywhere else so that's why I say it's what they see on TV. And then their mindset becomes what they see on TV, because I can't tell you how many times I get the reference of sex in the city, or I get the reference

[00:22:27] of Beverly Hills 90210, or you know actors and actresses and all this other stuff.

[00:22:33] Yeah, that's the first reference to that and yes I think on you know on the onset that yes that may be kind of what is the reference but when they get here.

[00:22:44] And the big buildings and stuff like that.

[00:22:46] When they see the different things. I think, yes, on a basic level, I mean, yes, right? Because that's the way I feel, you know, that's where you know you feel when you've been to London for the first time you want to see royalty you want to see, you know, Buckingham Palace you

[00:22:58] want to see all those different things because that's your first, you know, natural introduction but and it's the same with us here like when when, like I just had another cousin of mine who just came to visit.

[00:23:09] She's never been to Paris before. Yeah, there's more to Paris than Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame. Yes, yes, and the Sin River. There's way more than that. Yeah, of course.

[00:23:20] Well, that's why we that's why I keep going back to certain places because you can't get it all and one.

[00:23:26] And yeah, and that's why and not that actually has a good segue to lead into you know what are what are the key some key or key things that to make it where you have a bet the good time or best time.

[00:23:40] Because there's there's layers right like you're travel someplace and you'll get the surface like things but if you can't get to those deeper layers.

[00:23:49] Yeah, so what do you think are some key things you can tell the audience that will make, you know, well, number one good experience in traveling open mind to get the best experience to get the best

[00:24:02] experience you have to have an open mind and you have to be willing to really immerse yourself and understand you cannot come particularly as an American you cannot come with an American mindset.

[00:24:14] I'm with the mindset that yes I'm going to explore I'm going to you know I'm definitely going to be, you know, make a big experience of this.

[00:24:23] But the number one thing is to come with an open mind and realize that these laws, these laws are not American way anymore so now you have to, you have to, you know, humble yourself to a certain degree right to be able to do that so I think that's the

[00:24:36] number one thing is open open mind try to come with an open mind.

[00:24:40] And I think that's the one thing that you said you said you said something in fact of don't come as an American would you.

[00:24:48] No, no, no, I said don't come with your American person like your American, you know, kind of person needs to be this way like expected to be and I think you don't have any mouth do.

[00:25:00] I expect that it's going to be different and be open to that is what is the key here I think, and because it is going to be different and it might not be comfortable like that's to be sure they're gonna be uncomfortable moments and

[00:25:13] things will close.

[00:25:15] They're not going to stay open for you.

[00:25:17] I know.

[00:25:18] And they're not going to be like have it the way you want it like the chef, especially here in France if the chef says, we will not cook our meat.

[00:25:27] You're not going to be done. Yes, you ain't getting well done. I don't care how much you say you're gonna pay them you ain't getting it.

[00:25:35] We got to take it home put it in the microwave and they might not even let you take it home.

[00:25:41] They may not even let you take it.

[00:25:43] Not many places but that's because they really care about the food in Americans are less.

[00:25:49] They want you to enjoy the concerned about our food. Yeah, I've had a chef that said that to me.

[00:25:56] He will insult me if you tell me you want something other than how I made it.

[00:26:02] Well, and so that's very different because in America like the customer is always right.

[00:26:06] I mean, it's not like so if you wanted to burnt to hell then fine you're going to they want you to enjoy their restaurant not you're not going to pay for it.

[00:26:15] Yeah, exactly.

[00:26:16] And but you know he's saying he's making himself a part of the experience where you may not even want that you're like dude this is my dinner.

[00:26:24] Don't tell me what I need.

[00:26:26] So then number two is try the food you know try the try the food to try the food try the wines do you know do all of that you know try the soft drinks you know try whatever it is.

[00:26:37] You know and that goes hand in hand of course with being open minded, you know and and I have a third one to your to the ones you already mentioned Tricia is get out of the mindset of.

[00:26:54] The typical main attractions that we know as main attractions off the beaten path get off the beat.

[00:27:03] That's a good word, because for example when you let's say somebody wants to go to Germany.

[00:27:09] What's the number one thing people are going to go to see in Germany, the Berlin wall, you know, or what's left of it and and you know, get off the beaten path like, especially here in Paris like every day.

[00:27:22] I walk somewhere. I'm seeing something else that I didn't even know was like historic or whatever it may be and you know coming across the most the oldest bakery in all of Paris.

[00:27:37] And I'm just like for real.

[00:27:39] This is not one of the things that's in the tour guide.

[00:27:42] A lot of it to just just you know in the defense of those a lot of people don't have a lot of time.

[00:27:47] So I would you know I would definitely stipulate that they need to, you know, allow yourself time if you can, you know within your travel plans if you're going to do something like this, you know, don't try to fit, you know Paris and a day, you know if you can take a couple of days you know take you know take three days.

[00:28:04] Yeah, if you can but you know let's let's put in let's put it perspective, you know Paris or France is a big place. So yes, you're not going to be able to do all those things so yes if you have the 24 hours in Paris what do I do.

[00:28:17] I can see you doing the Eiffel Tower doing you know that sort of thing but you know or London, you know, you know doing the eye or Buckingham Palace or that sort of thing but you are not going to see everything.

[00:28:28] Exactly.

[00:28:29] You know, you need to allow for the time and you know Asia definitely.

[00:28:35] You know, there's so much.

[00:28:38] Yes, and I think another thing to the open mindness is.

[00:28:44] And we've we've already talked about it in other episodes and stuff like that.

[00:28:49] Don't be that guy or gal don't be that American that that you know everyone knows the stereotype of you know we got new merch.

[00:28:58] Yeah, just yeah don't be that person. Don't be that person you know just immerse yourself and obviously if you treat people with respect. Don't be always the aggressor.

[00:29:11] The, you know, I'm American because I ain't gonna I'm not I was just about to talk about the slang angle lie that when I first got here, you did whatever.

[00:29:22] Oh yeah I did shoot up from New York.

[00:29:25] Oh my God.

[00:29:28] Everybody's so rude here and you're wondering why.

[00:29:32] No, I'm like, I always had a chip on my shoulder. Yeah, and I was just like, excuse me would you say like, but then I started to calm down I'm like, Okay, they just want you to be like you're not in America you need to just.

[00:29:47] You know, once in a while get the little bit of somebody always say it. Yeah but this is not America so you can't.

[00:29:55] Every time I hear that it I cringe but I bite my tongue and I'm like you're right.

[00:30:00] Like, but I'm not going to go and, you know, that's the etiquette part I'm not going to eat my croissant with a knife and fork I'm sorry.

[00:30:09] But, but what I'm saying is is that you know also don't you know don't. I would I would say, you know, it's not always an American attitude either just like when you talk to me any kind of where you're going to talk to.

[00:30:21] So, the other thing about be respectful.

[00:30:25] Your friend said it to Trisha be if you're if you be respectful respectful of their way of life and their way of culture.

[00:30:34] You know, you will get a very good experience when you come to wherever you're going.

[00:30:43] Yeah, and try to when we say go off the beaten path, try other countries than the typical American visiting the European countries and this is actually something that Tony brought up.

[00:30:57] You know, because we usually go to the developed countries first I mean at least in my experience that's where I gravitated first and then you go to some of the other less developed countries and that the disparity is great.

[00:31:11] And just like being prepared for that.

[00:31:15] That shock to see people living like well below the $1 day or whatever it is that you know people are living on is, it's unsettling shock.

[00:31:28] I think we can say we both at least in a sense, but if we've been to those smaller areas not my choice. You know, like Iraq, for example, or those areas where it is not as developed as well what what ends up happening is they've got the areas for the

[00:31:48] tourists whereas where all their money is and then you take, you know, three steps outside of that and now you're seeing people living in like a shack. And that's really hard.

[00:31:59] It's okay for them to hide that that's the interesting part because I go back to France again.

[00:32:06] Paris has a lot of those places, you just don't hear about them. You know, some dummy. There's one area that's what you're just talking about and referring to, you know, where right up in momot where soccer is right around the corner from there.

[00:32:24] Nobody talks about it, but I love that area because it's off the beaten path and then you see all the real culture of like Parisians where it's not just a white thing or black thing or whatever.

[00:32:36] Like you get like immersed with like, ah, this is you can buy everything from anything there and stuff like this. And I would love to just be able to I'm happy to like provide people with options and ideas that they're interested in wanting to do it or maybe they have some ideas of what makes a good experience to wherever you want to travel.

[00:32:57] We definitely would love to hear, you know, hear your comments on that and maybe share some experiences that you've had or some areas that you know obviously we don't have the time to mention here.

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